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244. SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 2007 19:56Mike King - Birmingham
Surely to talk about the economic downside to Scotland leaving the UK is to miss the point? Can any economic value be put on nationhood? To me the Union is about being British., a feeling, a shared history, common values etc. Perhaps never more so than on Remembrance Sunday. If you don't feel British then vote SNP to break up the UK. If you do feel British then for God's sake, start to say so & vote against the SNP whenever, wherever & every time you can! Don’t lets do to ourselves what so many foreigners & terrorists have failed to do!
243. SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 11, 2007 13:22Robert Arnold - Norwich
We can work together, but be independent of each other. Sorry, I didn't want to make it about England. Just think that supporters of independence everywhere have common ties. Perhaps more common than the ties of an out of date union. I don't feel British and if the majority of Scottish don't then there's your answer.
242. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2007 22:22trevor swistchew - edinburgh
a message to unionists ask the unionist politicians in scotland why they have employed the politics of fear over years to dispel the call for independence and they have no answer.
241. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2007 22:12trevor swistchew - edinburgh
britishness had its time freedom is the future it cannot be stopped forever
240. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2007 22:11simse01 - Gosport
And i would like to add a point in saying that the people who say that England "rules" Scotland are completely wrong. Scotland and England are equal partners in this Union, and plus most of the present Governing bench at Westminster are Scottish, so how are Scots being ruled by England, using both of my past points as evidence
239. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2007 22:10trevor swistchew - edinburgh
scotland will become free all it takes is the will
238. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2007 22:04trevor swistchew - edinburgh
the misleading information put out by the unionists re independence holds no water now as scots awaken to the fact that the country can be independent any time it chooses.those who say only a minority want independence are wrong for while a majority appear not to want independence that is only because so few people in scotland vote which makes it look like only a few want independence.in 1972 the ted heath government offered control of the oil revenues to scotland but that was not taken up by the then scottish office.the article showing this was in the scots independent. scotland is not any burden on england in fact the opposite may be true for oil profits keep the uk afloat.here is gordon brown finding the billions for nuclear bombs? housing too is important and the city of adinburgh needs 2 billion just to house those who are on the council waiting list. independence now let scotland flourish.
237. SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 2007 21:37simse01 - Gosport
What makes everyone think that Independence will go like a 'sinch'? Yes sure Michael Collins said "Down with the Union" and crap like that but what turned out because of it? Violence, disorder, segrigation and Geographical Division. Yes sounds great..... So what makes every one think that it wouldn't happen to Scotland or England? Maybe the North may want to join the new Scottish state? Maybe southern Scotland may wish to stay witin the Union? What then? Extremist groups, Terrorism? All because people think their countries will be better off on there own? I said before i respected Alex Salmond because of his attitude but disliked him greatly because of his views. Well a view i don't like of his at all is the fact he is feeding Scotland 'Nationalism' but then saying he wants to adopt the Euro and subjigate Scotland into EU law. How is that is Scotland's best interest when their Oil Stores will be given to another Country in an Emergency? I study Politics and Economics and i can tell you all that Scotland and the rest of the home nations are better off together, Unified in all areas, Culturally, Economically etc. We don't need to split off from each other.
236. FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 2007 23:29Andrew - Aberdeen
Independence is not about England. It's about a nation having the confidence to take responsibility and not blame others for things that don't work. It's about Scots, including 'new' Scots staying in this beautiful and diverse country of ours, and making it work. Economically, it's not about oil, our real wealth is in the strong links that we have throughout the world, and being able to put them to our advantage. Democratically, it's about holding our elected MSPs to account through proper Scottish media coverage. It's also about new political parties emerging to represent views not currently held by the SNP. It's not about 'Unionism' or 'Nationalism'. That is the language of old. It's about a 'country' (not a region) having the safety net removed and doing it for themselves. Now that may take some sacrifices, but as long as we have the nerve, we can make it happen successfully.
235. FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 9, 2007 20:35Robert Arnold - Norwich- Fayre England
Hope you don't mind me joining the debate. I support Scottish Independence, as I support Independence for all the Home Nations. England, Scotland and Wales free to govern themselves, and a united Ireland. My grandmother's cousin was Michael Collins and I say 'Down With The Union' Paradoxically, I believe we'll all get along with each other better without it. Every year, instead of the 'British-Irish' Council, we could have 'The Council of the Isles'. Much more romantic sounding, do you not think. I think Scottish independence would be as good for England as yourselves. English people don't seem to even be aware of their own heritage, for instance the neglect of English folk song in comparison to Irish. Somewhere down the line I have the Pict in me, who were before that the Pritani, the original recorded inhabitants of these Islands, every inch of which I love so much. The current setup, no matter how devolved, favours England, London, Westminster. We must all be great, independent nations once more. Then, with respect to Michael Collins, I can truly be a proud Englishman. I hope your efforts for independence succeed and I wish you well. Rob A
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