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394. SUNDAY, JANUARY 27, 2008 00:02mammamia - aberdeenshire
Those of us lucky enough to have been born and bred in Scotland, and some of those who have adopted our country as home, understand the reasons we want independence. Many of us have wished for independence since childhood, whilst living through some cringing experiences as a result of being attached to England.(need I mention 1966, or the multitude of times on our 'national' tv when Britain is referred to as England?) It is nothing to do with the people of England, (we all have friends and relatives living there) some of whom tend to take our desire for separation as a personal issue. Surely they would be glad to ditch us if we are costing them as much in extra taxes as they say. It is more to do with a meeting of minds, a pride in our own country, a feeling of unity with our own heritage and traditions, our landscapes, language and culture; a desire to be "Scotland as a nation, not a subsection of England", which Scots all over the world will understand. And now we have found a leader in Alex Salmond, one who also has the capability to ensure the national economics match the passion.
393. FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2008 23:19trevor swistchew - edinburgh
to post 384 just to say this is a forum for independence. when the other union guys were in power where was their forum?
392. FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2008 23:15trevor swistchew - edinburgh
independence is not about hating anyone it is merely the restoring of the right to run ones own nation there were advantages one time in the union these are thin on the ground dumping the blame on people instead of exploitative corporations doesnt add to any debate the system as it is doesnt offer the same rights to everyone nor are incomes in line with inflation housing in this nation costs far more than many working people can afford if You are wealthy or well paid you are fortunate there are a majority who are not and they are not always to blame ageism is real so is prejudice i have been referred to as foreign i am not smug iwant to see freedom for the purpose of the nation working out the future unionism has had hundreds of years since 1707 to get it right they failed left and right wing where are their answers to homelessness poverty lousy pensions power sharing for a start? people can defend the union till the cows return but it dont work the call for independence was fuelled by the union failing millions of people. you cant dump the blame on the snp they only won power less than a year ago. thepoliticians who were voted out last May dont give any praise to the snp. why?
391. FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2008 22:43Rob Arnold - Norwich
Ellis Sims - And its also hearty to see many more supporters of Scottish Independence! What is Britain anyway? The Welsh are the only ones who have the slightest right to call themselves "British"
390. FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2008 21:17RAD - KL
#388: Alan Thomson Scotland's identity stronger? Prior to the Union Scotland had formed alliances, traded extensively (Baltic states) - was renowned for its education system. Scotland's identity was virtually eradicated by the Union - and today "Britain" equals England to many outwith the British Isles. You state: "There are many celebrations around the world for Scotland and the UK". Please elaborate, we are not living in the time of the Empire.
389. FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2008 19:24Dave Eastabrook - Largs, Ayrshire
383. G Goodall - Glenrothes: "Maybe you haven't been paying attention Donna" Donna didn't sneer at you, didn't ridicule you or your point of view, didn't imply you're stupid, didn't say that her opinion was the only sensible one, didn't try and bully or insult you or any unionists. She simply stated her own opinion and her wishes. Mind you, with so many second homes in Scotland having sent house prices thru the roof, (same as Wales and parts of England), there are many can't afford to buy their own home, and have to live with mummy and daddy. If they're lucky!
388. FRIDAY, JANUARY 25, 2008 12:57Kev - Edinburgh
385. ge - Wishaw Very good post, the union is holding us back and the thought of another ten years of English Tory rule sends a shiver done the spine. Why is the gap between rich and poor at its highest?, why is the national wage 23% higher down south?, why do we not have our own TV corporation? why do we get treated as a region of England? Alan (387 388), Sorry son read a bit more about your history how was Scotland disregarded? and surely Scottish identity and celebrations would be greatly increased by becoming Independent, just look to our Irish Cousins. Stop living in the past, and in case you have forgotten the SNP got more seats than Labour, minority get out more.
387. THURSDAY, JANUARY 24, 2008 22:00Alan Thomson - Falkirk
To respond to #376 If you want to talk about history then an independent Scotland was poor and disregarded as a country around the world. The United Kingdom of GREAT Britain however has an extensive history and we have achieved far more together than we ever did apart. If you look at the Scottish identity - it is now stronger and more renowned around the world than it has been. There are many celebrations around the world for Scotland and the UK.
386. THURSDAY, JANUARY 24, 2008 21:48Alan Thomson - Falkirk
I don't want independance and if all nationalists were honest they would say that most people are very happy with how they have it now. It is only because they do not shout about being part of the union that they are not heard. Nationalist are a minority but they have always shouted.
385. THURSDAY, JANUARY 24, 2008 19:32trevor swistchew - edinburgh
independence will come and belittling the snp will do zero to change that the union is the past independence the future like the dodo the union is gone it cannot be revived its past finito kaput i want independence yet i have never been a member of the snp there are plenty of people in this nation who want independence it is not about tartan or haggis it is about the right to work out the future without having to go to london that is how it is arguing for the union is too late unionists had their day they did nothing to help people who are not part of british prosperity independence is the future you can hate the idea of freedom nonetheless you cant turn time around devolution then independence that is how it works.
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