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Steering Group - Minutes 4

Minutes of the 4th Meeting of the Freshwater Fisheries Forum Steering Group held at Strathearn House, Broxden, Perth, on Thursday 7 October 2004.

In attendance:

Gordon Brown - SEERAD (Chairman)

David Dunkley - SEERAD

Graeme Waugh - SEERAD

Richard Gustar - SEERAD (Secretariat)

Andrew Wallace - Association of Salmon Fishery Boards

Brian Davidson - Association of Salmon Fishery Boards

George Holdsworth - Association of Scottish Stillwater Fisheries

Jane Wright - Association of West Coast Fisheries Trusts

Sarah Bayley - Association of West Coast Fisheries Trusts

Seymour Monro - Atlantic Salmon Trust

Willie Miller - Consultative Committee on Protection Orders

Professor Peter Maitland - Fish Conservation Centre

Ross Gardiner - Fisheries Research Services

Dr Alastair Stephen - Institute of Fisheries Management

Robert Ritchie - Salmon Net Fishing Association of Scotland

Ian Calcott - Scottish Anglers National Association and Salmon and Trout Association (Scotland)

Derek Keith - Scottish Campaign for Public Angling

Callum Sinclair - Scottish Environment Protection Agency

Ron Woods - Scottish Federation for Coarse Angling

David Howell - Scottish Natural Heritage

Miranda Lindsay - Scottish Rural Property and Business Association

Introduction

1. The Chairman advised the Steering Group that Lewis McDonald MSP had now taken over as Deputy Minister for Environment and Rural Development.

Apologies

2. Apologies were received from Jane Davis (British Trout Association); Dr James Butler and Bob Laughton (representing east coast fisheries trusts); Dr John Armstrong (Fisheries Research Services) - Ross Gardiner deputised for JA; Colin Innes (Salmon and Trout Association (Scotland)) and Ronnie Picken (Scottish Anglers National Association) - Ian Calcott deputised for CI and RP; and Jonathan Hall (Scottish Rural Property and Business Association) - Miranda Lindsay deputised for JH.

Minutes of Previous Meeting

3. The Steering Group agreed Mr Miller's proposed amendment: replace "them" with "those who had not done so" (paragraph 7, line 2). The minutes were approved with this single amendment.

Action - SEERAD to put approved minutes on the SE website.

Matters Arising

Task Matrix

4. The Steering Group was told the Task Matrix was on the SE website.

Paragraph outlining who members represent

5. The Scottish Campaign for Public Angling (SCAPA), the Salmon Net Fishing Association of Scotland (SNFAS) and the Scottish Rural Property and Business Association (SRPBA) were asked to provide a contribution.

Action - SCAPA, SNFAS and SRPBA to submit paragraph.

Other fora

6. The Chairman said that sea fisheries issues, being generally technical in nature, would bear little significance to the work of this Group. However, the Highlands and Islands Aquaculture Forum (HIAF), of more relevance, would be meeting shortly and he would be able to feedback to the Group at the end of the month.

Action - Chairman to report back on the work of HIAF.

Representation of the British Trout Association (BTA), SRPBA and the National Farmers Union (Scotland) (NFU(S))

7. The Steering Group was told that Jane Davis would represent the BTA at future meetings. Miranda Lindsay was representing SRPBA, but Jonathan Hall would attend future meetings. The NFU(S) had still to respond to the invitation.

Discussion forum comments

8. A summary of comments was circulated. There was some discussion about using a 'road show' to inform the angling public and gather views between Forum meetings. The need to generate press interest was also reiterated. Seymour Monro asked if the web address could be attached to all Forum correspondence.

Action - SEERAD to ensure that the Forum website address is attached to all Forum correspondence.

SEERAD to look into the possibility of holding a 'road show'.

Multiple rods

9. The Group was asked to consider whether there is a case for some angling sectors using more than one rod, and if so which sectors and how many rods. For example, should the legislation distinguish between 'game' and 'coarse' fish or 'salmonids' and 'non-salmonids'. The information provided by Professor Maitland and Peter Hutchinson to inform this issue was acknowledged. The Group also needs to consider whether the definition of set lines needs changing, and what to do about harling.

10. The Group was asked whether it was in favour of a split between salmonids and non-salmonids regarding the maximum number of rods one can use. The majority of the Group was in favour. Those against thought it might create enforcement difficulties and that such decisions would be best made at the local level.

11. The Group concluded that it would need to defer to the Forum, asking whether a distinction should be made between salmonids (inc. salmon, trout, charr, grayling and whitefishes) with a maximum of 1 rod per angler permitted (with a dispensation for harling), and non salmonids with a maximum of 2 rods per angler per permit permitted, up to a total of 4 rods.

Action - Steering Group to defer to the Forum.

Use of live fish as bait

12. The majority view was that there should be a ban. But the Scottish Federation for Coarse Angling and SNH wished only to restrict live baiting to the use of fish in the waters from where they had been caught.

Action - Steering Group to defer to the Forum.

Section 30 (Scotland's fish fauna)

13. The Group acknowledged the scientific paper by Professor Maitland on Scotland's native fish fauna. The Chairman reiterated the Group's agreement at the last meeting that a section 30 equivalent in Scotland was necessary.

Action - SEERAD to outline what form a Scottish equivalent to section 30 would take.

Freshwater Fisheries Forum

14. The Group was told that the SNH conference facilities at Battleby had been provisionally booked for 4 February for the next meeting of the Forum. The Group discussed this venue and the format of the day, agreeing that members of the Steering Group should present on the major issues.

Action - SEERAD to finalise arrangements for the Forum.

Bill Issues

Management structures

15. The Chairman told the Group that a decision was necessary on whether to adapt the management structures currently in place or start afresh. It was also necessary to think about how future structures can be funded. The Chairman thanked Ron Woods and Andrew Wallace for their papers and asked for members comments.

16. There was discussion about current structures, i.e. district salmon fishery boards (DSFB), and whether they worked. There was agreement that the way in which that system was funded worked well in relation to salmon fishery management. However, everyone also agreed that all species should be covered. The general consensus was that the system of DSFBs could be used as a starting point, but the current failings of that system need recognising. There was also agreement that any new system should be Scotland-wide, and should be mandatory, with the new management bodies being charged with administering the system in their area.

17. The Chairman told the Group that private funding was very important in establishing a new structure - some public money may be available, but private funding will be relied upon. From the discussions, the Chairman said it appeared there was general support for more private/ public investment and for rod licences (or levies on permit sales) to achieve this.

18. The Chairman asked the members of the Group to consult their constituents on management and funding. He suggested establishing a management sub-group to consider views and generate a single document proposing a new structure of management for freshwater fisheries in Scotland, to report back at the next meeting:

Management sub-group:

  • Andrew Wallace - ASFB
  • Dr Alastair Stephen - IFM
  • Jane Wright - AWCFT
  • George Holdsworth - ASSF
  • David Howell - SNH
  • Ron Woods - SFCA
  • SEERAD representative

Action - Management sub-group to develop ideas further and report back at the next Steering Group meeting.

Access

19. Ministers have already said the 1976 will be repealed. This Group needs to consider a suitable replacement that will increase access without compromising sustainable fisheries. The Group asked to see the analysis of responses to the recent consultation on the system of Protection Orders (PO). The Group agreed that Willie Miller and Derek Keith should produce a paper for discussion at the next meeting.

Action - Willie Miller and Derek Keith to collate information on access with a view to presenting a plan, for increasing and managing access, at the next meeting.

SEERAD to circulate the analysis of responses to the recent consultation on the system of POs.

Annual/ weekly close times

20. The current prohibition on Sunday salmon fishing, and whether annual close times were needed for species other than salmon and trout were discussed. The majority of the Group were in favour of keeping a weekly close time for salmon. The Group also discussed the idea of a weekly close time for trout. It was suggested that it might be a good idea if the proposed Bill provided enabling powers for Ministers to make annual and weekly close times. Mr Calcott of SANA advised the group that he was representing grayling interests and relayed that the Grayling Society (through Alan Ayre) would like a close season for grayling. Mr Calcott was asked by the Chairman to provide the rationale behind why one was felt needed. The Chairman concluded that there was no appetite to alter the weekly close time for salmon, but provision may be required to bring one in for brown trout in certain areas. Also an annual close for grayling should be considered.

Action - SANA to suggest close season dates for grayling in consultation with the Grayling Society.

Date and Place of Next Meeting

10.00am, 25 November, Pentland House, Edinburgh.

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